+1000. UI sure must get top priority.
Let us rephrase this question as: “Why don’t you immediately start a new, coordinated, well-defined and well-designed project to invite the public/organizations to fund specifically a total LO UI redesign/rebuild aiming at offering the best user experience?”
Can some representative of The Document Foundation please respond? How soon can you publish such an initiative?
I too believe that a major effort to redesign the UI is anxiously expected and will be welcome all over the world. Just set a funding target, and publicly ask for donations (e.g. using: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/donations).
You will be amazed by the size of donations. See for example: I don't want donate you, because...
From all input I can get (by many Windows- and Linux-oriented geeks) UI is the most needed part of LO. The need for it has been hugely underestimated.
I agree you should act on it asap.
You could in parallel find some UI experts (in UI design & implementation) to propose design ideas and publish them for the users to vote on the UI design proposals.
Also set very specific hallmarks. No more than 6 months for alpha, 9 mo for beta, a year for final release.
Ideally the UI should be theme-based and modifiable (by experts, of course).
Why such simple actiion were not pushed forward yet?
I cannot accept that The Document Foundation is incapable to prepare and coordinate the UI upgrade project. It must be seen not as a difficult assignment, but rather as an opportunity: to refresh LO, provide momentum, increase user/organization adoption and interest, integrate features in an easily-accessible way, etc.
Could not agree more! It pains me to keep getting TDF’s “we’re releasing another point release fixing N bugs”, “electing board members”, “another feature implemented” RSS posts, when all these news from my POV pale in comparison to the real issue of design (UI, templates, etc) at hand. IMHO TDF buries its head in the sand when it comes to the fact that design-wise LO looks and feels like ‘back to 1995’. Shame to see such a promising OSS project slowly fade into irrelevance.
I work with those using both MSO and LO (writer). It’s the ribbon that people like. It has proved to be well designed, functional, and is the one thing people comment on when choosing MSO.
But this is not really a good enough reason for upgrading the UI. Need a little research maybe to focus on the need. I’d like to see an official forum/pace to bring al the issues and docs and opinions together. To me this is the touchstone whether LO will really really take off.
wouldnt it be more important to get some stability in LO before worrying about UIs. With all the problems on 3.6.x (install issues, file association issues, etc), not sure you would even get a chance to use the new UI if there was one.
To be fair, I had the need to change header behavior on a file using 3.5.6…it went well (much simpler than changing header formats in mid doc for Word)…so well done LO team!!!
I like the enthusiasm I see here for a new UI, but, there are question which pop my mind:
Is the new UI really welcome all over the world if the choice is a new UI or more stability, less bugs, higher productivity?
Our devs do a great job and I learned in another forum that most of their man power is used for bug fixes. Thus, were do you take more devs? It’s a pity but we can’t clone or hardworking devs!!!
Additionally to my answer I just submitted:
As for the choice: new UI versus more stability, less bugs thus more productivity , an on-line questionnaire of all registered users would give a pretty good picture on where the dev power should go. Each registered user should have one and only one voice.
As a comparison, see what jump Blender did from 2.49 to 2.50 with its UI. Not just the eye-candy (being more appealing to the eye and appearing more “professional”), also the workflow increased greatly, since things are easier to find now. Back to LibO - comparing the actual UI and pauloup’s mock-ups (I’m not linking them again:) ), I see similar benefits for LibO. Of course, it is a huge task, and should probably happen parallel to bugfixing, and changes under the hood to make these things possible have to be done first.
Many people sound like they expect a first alpha in 2012, but I think it is clear, that this will take at least a year. Also, I wouldn’t say the current UI is “near to unusable”, as many people seem to think. Again a Blender comparison, 2.49b was very possible to work with, just - once you got used to 2.5, you just don’t want to go back. And this means, it is a step in the right direction - forward.
It is interesting why no one attempts to provide a reply to the simple question: “Why don’t you immediately start a new, coordinated, well-defined and well-designed project to invite the public/organizations TO FUND SPECIFICALLY a total LO UI redesign/rebuild aiming at offering the best user experience?” - This IN ADDITION to whatever other activity takes place (bug fixing, compatibility changes etc.)
We really want to see LO thrive and fulfill the wishes of millions of people around the world (including me) - and I believe what will make a difference is TARGETED FUNDING REQUESTS.
I will tell you why no one has answered this question yet: because we (users of this site) are LibreOffice users that try to help other users by answering their question regarding usage of LibreOffice. Most of us are not associated with TDF or LibreOffice development in any way. This question is simply asked in wrong place.
Thank you for your suggestion. Where then this question should be asked? I was hoping TDF would see this question here. I was also hoping users would support this idea by voting it so that TDF would take it seriously, but I see no real interest - which really surprises me. Isn’t there a vision?
I think there are many replies. However, there is not much support for this idea. IMHO people are more concerned about productivity than a new cool look which requires additional time to understand it.
I am sorry, I’ll have to disagree. UI-revision is MOSTLY needed for productivity and NOT for aesthetics. The current UI is counter-productive, as has been repeatedly proved in enterprise environments. Geeks may become productive even now, but this is not the case with the average enterprise employee
I hope this thread might help make clearer the point that productivity is NOT only a result of bug-free operation, compatibility and features but of a well-designed UI too, esp. with such software (like LO) which provides the main daily working environment. This truth seems to have been overlooked.
Anyone interested in productive discussion and actual work on new UI should get in touch with LO design team: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
You can also try general developers mailing list and TDF discussion list (in regards of separate fund rising campaign): http://goo.gl/oPNG0
I do want new UI for some reason:
I do saw some improvement in newer version of LO for dialog boxes and form layout. Congrats. I sure am believe that most of LO users want the better UI for better productivity.
+1 here as well
+1 here. Getting the metaphor right will be not trivial, but we need to start. Where is the place for official feedback on the little bits of a start people have made?
Basically, TDF appears to approach the issue like this;
“If a big chunk of our user-base hasn’t flocked to another solution,
we can still postpone a GUI revision.”
The biggest improvement in UI was implemented by Apache, not TDF,
which was in fact developed by IBM. The sidebar. After more than 10 years
of just replacing icons. Oh, and opening new docs in tabs within one instance is
deemed “useless”.
It just feels like “we’re what you’re stuck with, not what you choose to be with”,
which is unfortunate for such a promising product. I really want to keep using LO,
agree 100% on their values and their raison d’etre but man, oh man, this GUI will outlive
the Apocalypse.
My temporary solution is this:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73889
Please comment on it and try to bring more attention to it.