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"start at 1" bullets and numbering not working?

asked 2019-06-01 05:35:16 +0100

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updated 2020-09-28 19:26:00 +0100

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So, I have two numbered lists in two tables, as shown in the attached example.

I want the second list's numbering to start from "1" again, however selecting the first level of this numbered list and selecting "start at 1" doesn't work.

So I thought maybe LO was treating the second list as part of the first list (especially considering the numbering was still consecutive), so I tried to change Level 4 of the first list to "start at 1", however this achieved nothing either.

How do I use the "start at 1" option to restart numbering if it doesn't work?


C:\fakepath\Numbered list reset example.odt

EDIT I mistook the "start at 1" function as meaning "restart numbering", which is the correct function to use in this situation. From answer below: "Restarting number to the initial value of the counter is done with Format>Lists>Restart numbering".

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answered 2019-06-01 08:19:49 +0100

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so I tried to change Level 4 of the first list to "start at 1"

I think you have not understood the concept of list in Writer. Every item (paragraph) in a list has two properties: its level and its rank.

The level is defined by the count of Tab characters at head of the paragraph: 0 for level 1, 1 for level 2, etc. This is part of the device to build multi-level lists like:

 1. Item 1 at level 1
   1.1. Item 1 at level 2
   1.2. Item 2 at level 2
 2. Item 2 at level 1
   2.1. Item 3 at level 2

The rank is the ordinal number of the item in the order of appearance (you can count it globally or per level).

You change the level by varying the count of Tabs at head of item, but since these characters are rather "virtual", "removing" one is done with Shift+Tab (instead of the usual Bksp).

Characteristics of the numbering and indents are set in Tools>Bullets & Numbering.

A list is a combination of a paragraph style and a list style. The latter is rather a misnomer because it defines a counter and cannot create a list on its own; it must be applied to a paragraph (as you do when you press a toolbar button, applying a default list style).

Resetting the rank means you must interact with the counter. This is not a formatting option in Options tab of the list style. Here Start at defines the starting number for the level. Imagine I set it at 5 for levels 1 and 10 for level 2. The above list would display as:

 5. Item 1 at level 1
   5.10. Item 1 at level 2
   5.11. Item 2 at level 2
 6. Item 2 at level 1
   6.10. Item 3 at level 2

Restarting number to the initial value of the counter is done with Format>Lists>Restart numbering. Note that it does not read "restart at 1". It will restart at the value set in the Options tab for that level. This is what happens automatically when level is incremented between two consecutive items.

For best results in lists, customise the various List n or Numbering n (after associating them with a list style) or create your own styles. Don't use toolbar buttons which are akin to direct formatting. Direct formatting will always play nasty tricks on your back.

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Thank you for the detailed answer. "Restart Numbering" is what I wanted; it seems "start at 1" is not the correct term to describe this function... You're not wrong about List Styles, as I've been formatting the characters directly in Bullets & Numbering which is now see is comparatively dreadful!

appreciatethehelp gravatar imageappreciatethehelp ( 2019-06-11 15:34:29 +0100 )edit
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