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How to format endnotes in a chapter with title

asked 2020-09-07 23:39:05 +0200

Gustavo Pinent gravatar image

updated 2020-09-10 03:58:40 +0200

Hi! This question is related to this one: Heading for endnotes page What happens when I did that trick is a text aligned to bottom. Thought I will have to collect the endnotes elsewhere or need another hack to make it work... The goal is a list of references at the end of the text in a chapter called "References". So it has to flow from top to bottom. Any ideas?

Edit: Using LibreOffice 7.0.1.2 in macOS Mojave 10.14.6, saving in ODT. The notes are inserted as endnotes, and there is also cross-references. But when I did the procedure following the instructions of the link, the endnotes were collected in a footnote at the end of the last section.

Edit 2: Some screenshots. This one shows that the spacing is incorrect, I defined the footnote area to use all page. This is ease to solve with some enters, but I would like some logical way. The following image will show that the text is vertically aligned to bottom. Maybe with some enters I can push the text up, but again I would like a better solution (enter to align is barbaric to me). image description image description

Edit 3: A sample of the file: Exemple of Endnotes Issue.odt

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Edit (don't use an answer) your question for:

  • OS name and LO version
  • format used to save the document (.odt or .doc(x))
  • have you inserted your notes as endnotes or footnotes (just to make sure because you say thet are aligned to bottom)?

If this is a list of references, wouldn't a bibliography be a better option?

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-08 07:56:51 +0200 )edit

Please attach a short sample file for analysis. To attach, edit again your question and use the paperclip tool. In case there is sensitive data, replace it with "lorem ipsum".

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-08 14:18:01 +0200 )edit

Screenshots are fine to describe a problem but don't allow to diagnose precisely what's going on. This is why I request a sample file (make it short, please, 2-3 pages max).

Your references really look like a bibliography. Unless you insist on keeping the references in document order (instead of alphabetic order of some key you choose yourself -- it may be numeric but usually it is [Polanczyk2005] or [Polan2005], [GBD] or similar), why wouldn't you give a try to Bibliography?

Endnotes are known to exhibit various problems such as yours because they are formatted in a section of their own (unless configured otherwise) which is the very last object in the document. Bibliography is more versatile.

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-08 20:12:13 +0200 )edit

This is a work of another person I am given a hand, also I would like to dominate LO. Not a good idea to share it here... Maybe a bibliography was a better idea, but the text is ready with all references liked to text where there is a citation. I just wish to format the list as it is, numbered, and keep the link. Maybe there isn't a way to do it...

Gustavo Pinent gravatar imageGustavo Pinent ( 2020-09-09 02:36:51 +0200 )edit

There sure is a way to do it, but the problem must be diagnosed first. A 1- or 2-page sample shouldn't disclose any private intellectual property. Please extract it (eventually replace text with garbage) and attach the file.

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-09 07:54:15 +0200 )edit

Now there is a file. I just deleted most part of the text, not important the amount, but the quality, right... Thought I am attempting to make a numerated bibliography, but I don't know how to change endnotes to bibliography.

Gustavo Pinent gravatar imageGustavo Pinent ( 2020-09-10 04:01:17 +0200 )edit

From quick examination, your document is plagued with direct formatting which prevents from playing with the Endnote paragraph style (changing it does not reformat all notes!, thus I can't see the changes in "vertical alignment"). Though I think I have usual top alignment (LO 6.4.6.2).

You inadequately use sections (e.g. there's no point in designing the cover page in a section and using empty paragraphs to space). A section is meant to have a different number of columns than the current page for a limited inline extent or to group endnotes with a part of document. In your case, your section nesting is strange: Referências is strictly equal to Texto. Also why is Texto included in Corpo instead of being one by itself?

I don't understand why you defined a bookmark for each note anchor. To insert a reference to an existing note ...(more)

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-10 10:57:40 +0200 )edit

All in all, your document is badly styled. Why have you created a Default paragraph style (not linked to Default Style!) with 2 siblings? You lose the possibility to adjust it from Default Style. You messed the para style hierarchy by removing some of them from the built-in one. Thus, the defaults in Tools>Options, LO Writer>Basic Fonts are no longer forwarded to them.

You messed the character styles by creating a hierarchy (unless this is wilfully intentional) under Default paragraph font. This new style will hide what you defined in the paragraph style. If you meant the default font from the paragraph, this is done with character styleDefault style (which is a reset to paragraph attributes). Worst, in the sample, no character style is used!

I don't know what your Listlabel99 are for, I hope this is for numbered list but I could not ...(more)

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-10 11:10:20 +0200 )edit

As a result, it is impossible to format your document only playing with styles because it is not consistently and rigorously styled with superimposed direct formatting.

From the sample, it is clear that the bibliography tool would definitely be the right tool for your purpose.

Unfortunately, there is no automatic procedure to change from endnotes to bibliography. The first reason is you must create the bibliographical references (which go into an internal database). The bibliography tool is very powerful and versatile. You'll need some time to master it. So if you have a deadline, it's up to you to decide for a tedious and difficult editing in the present state or for some time dedicated to learning and reviewing your document with a strict and consistent method.

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2020-09-10 11:16:10 +0200 )edit

Did I do something right? Ok, the document was converted from docx and there was a lot of problems already. The author did some mess and the conversation processes created a lot of new ones. Each page was with it's own section, for start, I had to deleted one by one, there is no way to delete more than one style. Those styles was imported from another docx already formatted by the rules. In Brazil, everybody split the document into several sections, is the only way to make it according to local rules (ABNT). Anyway, thank you for your efforts, you should have made an answer, sometimes the answer is like this - you can't. But I am very well impressed with this Libre Office version. The logic is different than Word but it's better, I will have to learn it. Right now I will make the best ...(plus)

Gustavo Pinent gravatar imageGustavo Pinent ( 2020-09-10 23:52:44 +0200 )edit

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answered 2020-09-11 00:40:36 +0200

Gustavo Pinent gravatar image

After ajlittoz's long list of my mistakes (and he is right) I pick some idea here and there and could format the text as I need. The hack is to use the header configuration only for the area where the endnotes are, make sure the option to collect at the end of section is unchecked. Next, configure the header to different content to first page...

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Now you put the page number field and the title as you need. Don't forget tu put the page number in the next page because it will not follow the standard of the first page. Voilá, problem solved! Of course, try not to create this problem in first place...

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