if i have a long footnote, the next chapter should not be shown just if the first chapter ends with all its notes (like in MS office)
how to make this in writer?
and example file is attached
footnote.odt (35.7 KB)
From my POV it looks like a bug, How to Report Bugs in LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Wiki
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IMHO, this is not a bug but a shortcoming in the specification (the case was not anticipated). Notes and outline are independent from each other. If a note overflow available space, it will continue on following pages regardless of main text. This is aggravated by the fact that note area is limited to some percentage of page size (~85% according to my experiments). This means there is always ~15% space available for main text which increases the “lag” between text and notes. It can even create huge confusion in note numbering because the “by page” numbering only considers main text, restarting at 1 at top of page without taking into account pending notes. In the extreme case of a very long spanning note with one note request on its overflow pages, all short footnotes are listed together after it sharing the same number 1, making reference to a specific note uneasy.
Requesting to flush pending notes before going to another outline level could be difficult to implement. First there should be a means to specify which level is the “boundary”. This level is not necessarily 1 because users or layout design may set other constraints (speaking only of “chapters”, chapter can be on another level: level 1 for “volume”, level 2 for “part”, chapter perhaps at level 3). And this would also mean that any change of level lower than the boundary, also requires to flush the notes (the “boundary” can be seen as a flush request up to the designated level).
Another approach to solve the issue could be to fix tdf#73977 by relaxing the ~80% limit on not larger than page area and allowing 100% coverage (and considering that overflow note text has higher precedence than main text). With such a behaviour, no main text is inserted until pending note test has been exhausted. Therefore, a chapter heading can’t appear before the end of the note.
As an imperfect workaround, you can turn your chapters into sections and request notes grouped at end of section. This is imperfect because you must flip pages to read the note instead of having it at bottom of page, but at least they don’t span chapters.
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Following your comments, I had a play with Word 2010. What I found was that it will start a new chapter (Heading 1 with page break before) on the same page as the previous chapter’s footnotes if those footnotes don’t entirely fill that page.
Adding a footnote that is longer than the available space to the second chapter will not flush the heading to the next page.
Below is appearance of document created in Word 2010 with previous chapter’s footnotes underneath Chapter two on page 3. Exported from Word with Acrobat X Pro.
FootnotesIntoNewChapter.pdf (125.0 KB)
And the docx which looks far more confusing in Writer
FootnotesIntoNewChapter.docx (23.3 KB)
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So to match MS Office bug-for-bug, fixing bug 73977 would work.
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I did learn in the last year or so that it is not uncommon for Arabic texts to have very long footnotes. To improve the layout of these and the expectations of users in general, I do believe that a chapter should be a clean start, especially if it starts on a new page.
I don’t see the problem using the level of the chapter heading, there is already a setting for that in Fields > Document > Heading titled Up to level.
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This is not the same thing. What you mention is a cross-reference to a heading. “New” wording Up to level may be more ambiguous than previous simple Level. It could induce users into error, thinking that all levels from one up to the level are concatenated in the returned answer. In fact, if the required level does not exist at the location of reference, the returned value falls back to preceding levels (first met wins, e.g.: if 3 is requested but does not exist, 2 then 1 are tried in this order; if none exist, “void” is returned).
I meant a new setting telling that if a heading with level less then equal to the “boundary” value is met while note text is still pending, then this heading “insertion” in page is postponed until note text is exhausted.
I found a workaround (not a solution).
Make each of your chapter a section.
Configure each section Options, Footnotes/Endnotes tab, to Collect [Footnotes] at end of text.
This is not perfect. Notes in the last page will immediately follow text. They won’t be laid out at bottom of page.
PS: when asking here, don’t forget to mention OS name, LO version and save format. And this, even when you frequently ask questions. This will spare the pain to look for your previous questions to get the information, which may be anyway obsolete due to updates and change of document.
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