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asked 2019-07-04 02:31:50 +0200

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I am trying to make a photo tutorial document of multiple captioned images with no text apart from the captions, but the images won't stay where I position them between saving and closing the document and then opening it again. A few of the images end up partly underneath a neighbouring image or half off the page and cannot be dragged back to where they should be. I have tried to anchor each captioned image as a character, but it's not solved the problem.

Is there any way to make such a document where the images will stay where they are put, and can be added to between editing sessions?

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Of course, you can. But without the exact description of the anchors, we can't help much.

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2019-07-04 07:45:06 +0200 )edit

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by an "exact description of the anchors".

artefacts gravatar imageartefacts ( 2019-07-04 07:54:23 +0200 )edit

I have tried to anchor each captioned image as a character, but it's not solved the problem

For captioned images, you need to understand that you are dealing with two objects actually: an image, and a frame around the image, which holds the image and its caption. So, you need to make sure that you set anchoring of frame to As Character, if you want to define the placement correctly.

Showing formatting marks and text boundaries is very convenient way to understand what elements your document actually consists of.

Mike Kaganski gravatar imageMike Kaganski ( 2019-07-04 08:35:33 +0200 )edit

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answered 2019-07-04 08:18:40 +0200

When working with the inserted objects and their positions in Writer, one should first try to understand two important concepts: what anchoring the object means, and what positioning the object means.

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Anchoring is what is there in the document content, to which this object is linked (some fundamental entity, such as a paragraph, or a character, or a frame): it means that when that entity moves in the document, the anchored objects may move with that entity. Anchoring creates semantical link between the text content and the inserted objects: the link means something like "this object helps to understand, or decorates, or otherwise relates to this part of document"; and naturally, when e.g. the paragraph goes a couple pages forth, it doesn't make sense that a picture that illustrates something in that paragraph would stay where it were, two pages behind.

There are five possible anchoring modes: To Paragraph; To Character; As Character; To Frame; and To Page. The latter one is very special, and actually is very unfortunate to even exist. While the first four mean that an object is linked to some real fundamental document elements - paragraphs, characters, or frames, that actually constitute the document, - the To Page anchoring links objects with something ephemeral, dynamic in the world of text processing software, to something created and destroyed on demand: to a page number. Any given page is only existing there because there's some text that needs to be placed on a page. As soon as the text gets modified/reformatted, it might take less paper space than before, and any given page may become unnecessary. Or the text may grow, edits may insert content before any given text, and so any paragraph may move to following pages. But objects linked to "page number" would stay where they were, would not move anywhere; would cause blank pages to be kept - just to let the linked object stay there. There's nothing in the document that would let these objects move forward or backward - if you insert more pages "before" such objects, the objects would "jump" to "previous" pages, actually keeping anchored to the same "page number 3 in the document, no matter what". I strongly advocate against this type of anchoring.

In essence, all types of anchoring allow to define unambiguously on which page a given anchored object will be placed: for To Paragraph, To Character, As Character, To Frame, this is the page where the linked entity is placed; for To Page, it's a fixed page (as discussed).

But anchoring, while giving us the page on which the object is placed, doesn't yet describe the image position on the page (with the exception of As Character anchoring). In case of the four "floating" anchoring modes (To Paragraph; To Character; To Frame; and To Page), positioning plays role in placement on page (and even for As Character, it has some significance).

So, positioning is the way to tell where the object will be placed ... (more)

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Thank you for that exhaustive explanation. As I mentioned in the OP, I have anchored each image 'As Character', and I still have a few overlapping/floating off page problems. However, I didn't know about the importance of positioning. I will try to make another document, being careful to anchor and position each image as I add it, and see if that will stay 'set' upon closing and reopening the document.

artefacts gravatar imageartefacts ( 2019-07-04 08:35:51 +0200 )edit

Very clear and exhaustive information +1

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2019-07-04 09:54:39 +0200 )edit
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