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When we'll finally see a new UI? [closed]

asked 2012-11-15 08:29:37 +0200

Nick@Appletech gravatar image

updated 2012-11-15 08:31:23 +0200

We've read many requests for a new UI. Specifically, this question: http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/31/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-interface-gui/ is a good account of the situation.

I have to return to this subject because all the arguments in the last post of the -now closed- above thread are very valid and must be SERIOUSLY taken into account.

Although we won't doubt bjoern-michaelsen's arguments about the difficulty of the endeavour, it IS CRUCIAL to constantly remember those points, which I can confirm from OUR OWN EXPERIENCE in our non-profit Organization:

"STOP to add and add new functions but just go there > http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273 and try URGENTLY to change your prehistoric UNERGONOMIC very old UI and you will see how fast The Document Fundation will be a REAL alternative to MSO."

and:

"1) i saw how hard it was for the workers to adapt theirs skills on an UI witch is really NOT ERGONOMIC. 2) i saw their efficiency going down with the actual interface, a very old conception not any more used in any kind of software in present days. 3) the workers are really more efficient with an UI which is beautiful (they are really happy to work with nice tools), simple, without sub - sub - sub... menu option. 4) they can learn a lot faster with a software which has easy and "cool" UI (which is very important for a compagny who want to switch, because "time is important"). 5) May be LibreOffice or OOo have a lot of downloads but I'm SURE that not even 10% of the people who have downloaded LO or OOo are using it."

So, PLEASE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE UI NOW! See at http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273 (with which I am not affiliated in any way), and PLEASE understand that without this change LibreOffice makes our life difficult and unproductive, while, WITH this change, it CAN become the killer project worldwide.

PLEASE, PLEASE, start a UI revision project NOW, and, why not, perhaps start a public fund raising effort for the UI-revision project only. PLEASE!

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@ROSt52: Bug fixing is always crucial. Starting a UI-revision project would be a new one, with its own resources, designers, developers, that's why separate funding is suggested. Current developers should definitely focus on bugs. UI-revision in LO is very important because current UI is UNERGONOMIC

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-16 17:53:36 +0200 )edit

@vojo: See previous comment. Stability (i.e. bug fixing) is of primary concern. BUT without a contemporary, friendly and ergonomic design, users and esp. companies cannot endorse LO! Note the above points, ALL of them confirmed in practice again and again. Both bug fixing and UI cannot wait.

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-16 22:11:09 +0200 )edit
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It's a shame someone has down-voted, when I think it's clear that WE SHOULD NOT regard bug fixing / UI as either/or fields. BOTH are extremely important. It's just that UI evolution has been largely neglected.

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-19 12:31:11 +0200 )edit

THE REAL QUESTION IS (as Jaret below has pointed out): Why don't you immediately start a new, coordinated, well-defined and well-designed project to invite the public/organizations to fund specifically a total LO UI redesign/rebuild aiming at offering the best user experience? Please reply to this.

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-19 12:33:23 +0200 )edit

@ROSt52: Ask for UI-development funding as suggested and you'll be able to get the devs you need for it. You are doing a great job. Why not expand it to other important areas? The world puts more hopes than you think to LibrO!

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-19 13:10:36 +0200 )edit

NO ONE TO UPVOTE FOR UI-REDESIGN YET? Even from those who favor the change (and have an adequate karma)?

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-19 13:19:42 +0200 )edit

I hope this thread might help make clearer the point that productivity is NOT only a result of bug-free operation, compatibility and features but of a well-designed UI too, esp. with such software (like LO) which provides the main daily working environment. This truth seems to have been overlooked.

Nick@Appletech gravatar imageNick@Appletech ( 2012-11-28 08:20:28 +0200 )edit

Those Mock-up thing, with left-side menu are good for LO Write, but not good enough for LO Calc.

My wide screen isn't wide enough to fit my 50+ columns of tables and freeze 3 columns at left. I work everyday from 9 to 5 (mostly to 9 to 7), and most of my work time is using Calc.I wish I had 20:9 screen or wider to fit my Calc's sheets.

Paijo gravatar imagePaijo ( 2013-06-25 12:00:06 +0200 )edit

I definitely agree. The LO is in dire need of a UI redesign. I would love to replace MSO with LO but I just cannot since the workflow is just way more complicated in LO. The MSO pivot table is straight forward and so easy to use. The same cannot be said for the LO version. The functionality is great but the UI totally gets in my way..

Dr. Mike gravatar imageDr. Mike ( 2013-08-27 22:33:04 +0200 )edit
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Ugly design also makes LO such a hard sell to others. I may install it on my friends' PCs when I service their laptops but they still prefer to go down the "find cracked MSO" path when they see the UI. 80% of them only care for 20% of the features, while dated design is almost universally noticed and complained about almost immediately. Many of them come to pretty negative feelings about LO very quickly.

Dawid Ciecierski gravatar imageDawid Ciecierski ( 2013-11-02 14:04:37 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 02:21:27 +0200

Basically, TDF appears to approach the issue like this; "If a big chunk of our user-base hasn't flocked to another solution, we can still postpone a GUI revision."

The biggest improvement in UI was implemented by Apache, not TDF, which was in fact developed by IBM. The sidebar. After more than 10 years of just replacing icons. Oh, and opening new docs in tabs within one instance is deemed "useless".

It just feels like "we're what you're stuck with, not what you choose to be with", which is unfortunate for such a promising product. I really want to keep using LO, agree 100% on their values and their raison d'etre but man, oh man, this GUI will outlive the Apocalypse.

My temporary solution is this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73889

Please comment on it and try to bring more attention to it.

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