Can you make page numbering easier?

Hi, making a book in Google Docs or LibreOffice is limited by the fact that the page numbering system is very primitive. I think a lot of people who want to make books run into this problem and give up because they can’t get their book to look exactly as they want it. You have to use bookmaking software and chances are it’s arcane and going to break your document

If you have front matter that you don’t want numbered on Google Docs, you’re pretty much out of luck. You can only skip the first page for numbering. You can’t edit individual page numbers or make alternating page adjustments (having the page number appear on opposite sites of the footer to deal with the book’s gutter).

If you have front matter and you’re using Libre Writer, it’s a cryptic and convoluted process. You have to go into Paragraph and then Text Flow and muddy about with page styles. Libre Writer also can’t seem to handle back matter, and the only solution that I could come up with is hiding the page numbers with white shapes, which doesn’t translate well to EPUB.

There are supposedly ways to achieve a better result, but I haven’t been able to find anything – the tutorials talk about covering page numbers with shapes and making the front matter into title pages (which doesn’t sound right). If you have sections in the middle part of the book that you don’t want numbered, or want to reset or continue the numbering at different times, that sounds like a nightmare.

Can you please implement a simple numbering feature where you can choose the pages you want to be numbered and set the numbering system? Just a little timeline where you choose the section and the numbering system / options.

I had more diagrams but new users are only allowed to post one image.

This is all I need to finish my book and not have it ruined by a different software system. Thank you.

Numbering a long text is not that easy but learnable on Writer. In former times you had the typewriter and gave your ready-to-print text to a publishing house where the specialists (typesetters on Monotype) did the work of pagination. Writer makes it not easy but feasible to learn how to paginate longer texts. Why not rack yourself and learn hard? Hard for the first time, easy after some practice…

You surely are welcome!

If you are mixing between Google docs and LibreOffice I can imagine you will have problems.

Have you read the appropriate chapter of The Writer Guide? It is the official documentation, not some random bloke on the internet. Download from English documentation | LibreOffice Documentation - LibreOffice User Guides

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Read these pages:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1221
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88702
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44607
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95759

Might help.

Can you upload a sample file?

Make a copy of your file and delete most of your content, just keep the front matter and a few pages from the other sections, so we see what you are working with. Then we can give advice pertinent to your situation.

Remember, this is a public place, so remove/mangle any confidential content.

Have you read the Writer Guide? If so, have you understood the foundation upon which the whole style system is built?

The page numbering system in Writer is very powerful and quite simple once you have accepted a few principles.

A book is made of several parts which have specific layout and properties (see your schema). You store these specifics in a page style, where you define the “geometry” (= margins and parity odd/even) and the existence of header and footer. Whatever goes into the footer or header is private contents of the page style. Consequently, as the page number is usually displayed in the header or footer (sometimes it is vertically centered in the outer margin but logically it is still inserted in the header/footer), just don’t insert it in this page style.

What it boils down for you schema, the needed page styles are:

  • one for the title page (front cover)
  • one for the front matter after the cover
  • one for the TOC so that you can number it Roman
  • one for the unnumbered pages between TOC and topic (not needed if this page is only for parity adjustment, i.e. chapter must always begin on an odd page, as it is automatically managed)
  • one for the main topic (note that the exact header text can be “computed” from chapter heading so that it changes from chapter to chapter, thanks for fields)
    A single page style can handle several chapters.
  • reuse of the unnumbered page style between topic and index if there is no header nor footer
  • one for the index so that it can have its own numbering
  • one for the back matter or reuse of the unnumbered pages page style if nothing particular is to be added in header or footer
  • perhaps one for the back cover because it usually has a background not shared with other pages

If your paragraph styles are carefully designed for semantic markup (and not for appearance), the change of page styles can be recorded in the Text Flow tab of “special” paragraph styles, like Heading 1 when starting a new chapter or similar for starting TOC or index, so that you play only with your paragraph styles, page style management becoming then implicit. You can also use the Next Style property in page styles when the switch must occur at end of the first page.

There is nothing ultimately complicated. You must only be methodic and consistent.

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Hi, could you help me with this? I looked into it but couldn’t figure it out – and I have many questions. I have Discord / Telegram

I’m not sure where exactly your problems are situated. For page numbering read the following manual:
http://openoffice-uni.org/
From the contents/chapters:

  • 12 Default Page Formatting
  • 13 Title Page
  • 14 Papers Without a Title Page
  • 15 Pages with and without numbers
  • 16 Roman Page Numbering

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