How can I create a single list for the entire chapter?


I started to:

  • eliminate empty paragraphs (space 5);
  • incorporate 5 spaces above the paragraphs and above the titles;
    I deleted “Bibliography List” in the default paragraph style, using “Numbered List []”

As I corrected the numerical progression it was correct. Once the file was saved, the problem reappeared when reopened.

What should I do, to track down where the error is?

prova_libre_3.odt (23.6 KB)

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For a bibliographic work I have to repost some references in the list but despite having used a numbered list style, after a short list, the next one starts again from 1. If I try to append the second list to the first it allows me to do so but, after registration, all start, start again as before. To give an example, I tried to eliminate the bulk of the text and leave only the essential passages.

To insert the list I proceeded as follows:

  • I inserted the mouse at the beginning of the text and clicked on the “conference list” style. If I try to use the enable/disable list icon it allows me to change the number but, as I already said, it doesn’t keep it for me.

  • I also tried using the “body text” style and then reformatting with the “conference list” style. Nothing to do.

I’m using version 24.2.12 (x86_64) of LibreOffice, on Windows.

By uploading the file to Google to create the link I realized that Google reads it perfectly: with consecutive numbering. If I download the file, it keeps it correct even remotely. Can I use this file or do I risk losing some configuration?

Since it is a very large file, I preferred to upload only a part as an essential summary.
prova_libre.odt (88.4 KB)

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What do you mean with “I attached numbered lists separated from other texts”? Should I read you numbered some paragraphs, leaving unnumbered ones in between?

How did you number the items? Pressing toolbar buttons? If so, this is akin to direct formatting and Writer must guess whether or not your items belong in the same “logical” list or not. This is why you experience number reset here and there. This approach is inherited from Word which defined a one-size-fits-all feature which overlays a mess with another mess, due to the lack of a correct abstract definition of what is a list.

What are your unnumbered paragraphs between the numbered items? Are they logically dependent on the numbered items? In other words, do they provide explanation or elaboration on these numbered items, making them part of the list, either as level-2 unnumbered items or extension of level-1? In which case, using a multi-level list solves the issue.

When you have a sophisticated list structure, the solution is to use a dedicated list style in addition to usual paragraph styles. Are you familiar with Writer styles? Do you practice them? List styles which are particular to Writer (do not exist in Word) are quite difficult to understand and master by newbies because they are “secondary” formatting elements: they must be applied over a paragraph style.

Please, reword your question, mentioning OS name, LO version and save format (be aware that the potential solution will only be valid for .odt documents). To edit/modify your question, click below it, then the “pencil” icon. Don’t use a comment to provide the required additional information. For best advice, attach a short sample file.

your link to the document needs authorization so that someone can view it or download it in order to examine it

The topic edit window has a tool to attach files. In the toolbar, click on the “outbox” basket with an upward arrow. This avoids all the issues with “alien” servers. Your file is uploaded directly in the topic and everybody on AskLO can access it (so, pay attention to sensitive personal/confidential data and replace it with “neutral” text).

I couldn’t find the useful icon. Thank you.

Preliminary remark: your list is defined by a custom list style (Elenco numerato link [n]) which effectively attach all your items to the same abstract list. This is good.

“Structural” remark: IMHO text made of Elenco Bibliografia [] (not sure about the last character(s)) and Riferrimenti ai testi paragraphs belong “logically” in the list at different levels (1 and 2). To communicate this logical relationship to Writer, you should integrate the Riferimenti … paragraphs in the list.

Now to the core of the problem.

Obviously your document has a long and erratic editing history. This is aggravated by your character-level direct formatting (though theoretically there should be no interference but the XML shows a really cluttered encoding. Character styles are your friends (like all other styles) and you would surely benefit from using them instead of your present direct formatting (colour, bold, italic, superscript, …).

This direct formatting plus the editing history contribute to a huge size inflation of your document. This 1-page sample should not weigh 88kB. Direct formatting (creating single-use anonymous styles) is responsible for the majority of this size.

During your edits, you probably caused numbering reset in your list. I tried to fix this but I could not, probably because the erratic attempts have “corrupted” the encoding, preventing the fix for the attribute.

I removed the list style application, reverting your text to ordinary paragraphs. Since the list style is applied only to Eleco Bibliografia [] (at least in this sample) and this paragraph style has no other usage than this list (again in this sample), I reconfigured the Outline & List tab of the paragraph style to associate it systematically to the list style. Consequence: you no longer need to apply manually the list style; it comes automatically with the paragraph style.

This solved the numbering reset.

Then, following my suggestion about the “child” Riferimenti … paragraphs, I modified the list style to configure its level 2 to Bullet with U+2514 BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT UP and RIGHT└ as the bullet. Position of level-2 was adjusted to align it at left below level-1 text.

Aesthetic tuning: Times New Roman is not installed on my Linux box. I had to use Liberation Serif for the “bullet”. This font has not the same metrics as TNR (or the face it was substituted). If I align the bullet at 1cm (the level-1 indent), the “bullet” is slightly indented to the right. I had to set 0.95cm to have it correctly visually positioned. This may not be necessary on your computer. Check.

I removed the manually inserted strings to avoid duplication. Since I could not determine if Riferimenti ai testi had other usages (and it is also the ancestor of other styles), I applied manually the list style and pressed Tab to promote the items to level 2.

Here, a new problem occurred. Level-1 items were then numbered 1, 3, 5, 7, … This is caused by an incorrect configuration in list style Elenco … where Consecutive numbering is ticked. This setting requests that all items, no matter their level, are numbered sequentially as if they were all at level 1. This is usually not what users want.

One last remark. Apparently, empty paragraphs Spazion 5 tra periodi are used to vertically space your text. This is very bad practice because it inserts meaningless (read: contain no useful data) “objects” in your document and sooner or later they will ruin you layout (after editing, your text is reflown and some paragraphs may be flushed to next page, thus detaching the spacing “objects” from their child paragraphs).

To compensate, I modified Elenco … Indents & Spacing tab to incorporate the spacing in Above paragraph setting.

See the modified document: prova_libre-ajl.odt (28.1 KB). Note that the partial direct formatting elimination reduced the size to 28kB.

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