Hi,
I have just updated to lo 25.8.1.1 x86 64 on my win10 laptop.
I would like, when typing a quote mark or bracket, etc. in writer, to have it replace selected text, as it used to do in the older version, rather than enclose the selection in quote marks or brackets, etc. Is there an option somewhere that will enable me to return to the older behaviour?
Thanks
/Gary
Applying the new feature overrides the setting to NOT replace ordinary quotes and doublequotes by their “typographic” partners.
I always disable that automtism, and even change the replacements selected under localized options to the straight versions. This is disregarded if the new option is enabled.
Can this be intentional?
There is a bug report: tdf#168209.
Reproducible with:
Version: 25.2.7.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 5cbfd1ab6520636bb5f7b99185aa69bd7456825d
OS: Windows 10 X86_64 (10.0 build 17763)
Version: 25.8.2.2 (X86_64)
Build ID: d401f2107ccab8f924a8e2df40f573aab7605b6f
CPU threads: 12; OS: Windows 10 X86_64 (build 17763); UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win
Locale: es-MX (es_AR); UI: en-US
Calc: CL threaded
Can’t say i did. I really had to upgrade anyway because my previous version was so old (before the date was used in the release number) and likely any problem i encountered would be met with the (justified) suggestion to update.
But really IMO and i know from other posts i have seen in the past that others share this opinion, what the user actually enters should always take precedence over any changes made automatically, which should require explicit enabling by the user on a feature-by-feature basis. This applies also to the issue of additional spaces being inserted when pasting from the clipboard into a document.
Best,
/G.
This is idealism, based on a false idea that users would somehow know that they can do this or that, to enable that.
In reality, users in most cases will never learn they could have one or another feature, if it is not exposed to them from start. It looks this way: enable “all” the features - and everyone will hate most of them - and will actively look to disable those, and will let those that they like enabled. Disable all features - and no one will ever use any of them. (Please note that the extreme “all”, “no one” are exaggerating just to emphasize the point, no need to cherry-pick those words. The point is, that now, ~everybody finds at least some features they like, just because they see them in action; in your proposed mode, almost no one will even learn something was possible.)
Good point. You’re probably right. Still, an obvious and effective way to turn them off individually must surely be necessary. It should be possible at least for the user to have what they enter appear in their document without distortion. I know it is possible to enable/disable many features and that’s a plus, though its not always obvious that it will be so. This list is a great help of course and i’m extremely grateful for the help i!ve received from it.
Is it in fact the case that when any new feature of this kind is introduced a way to turn it off is offered to the user? I’m only talking of features which automatically alter the user’s input of course.
Best,
/G.
A way to turn it off is offered - but not always an obvious way. Just like here. We have it in Options. I don’t have a personal opinion where it would be best: I try to stay away from UI/UX decisions. But I realize that in an insanely complex thing that is LibreOffice, where we have tens of thousands (!) configurations, it is always the case, that every feature is not sufficiently prominent from somebody’s point of view; and at the same time, making all the thousands configurations “obvious” would simply kill usability. So one viable approach, that is used by our UI/UX team, is: introduce it in some not-that-prominent place; and monitor what users want - so that you get the idea how important it is, and what is the optimal place to expose it. Of course, the initial place is not “hidden”, it’s documented - just it’s not intrusive, in the absence of better ideas.
