Page Number and Table Break Problems

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#1

Hopefully someone can help me. I’ve wasted 3 days trying to fix this. This is so frustrating.

I have a Master Document pulling in 11 pages of tables. All of them inherited the same style sheet. Page numbering for the third document (AAA3) suddenly restarts and goes back to page number 1. All other pages respect the page numbering. Additionally, tables will suddenly break apart across multiple columns to the next page. This happens randomly where an empty page column or two suddenly appear breaking the continuous flow of a table.

I using LibreOffice 7.4.6.2. The same phenomena happened with 7.3 and the 7.5 releases. File at Upload files for free - LiberTabularum.zip - ufile.io
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#2

Styles in global- and sub-documents

#5

Your formatting is a nightmare. You have a mix of styling and direct formatting. You have clearly not thought enough upon the semantic structure of your document and designed your styles for visual effects not for the significance in the document. Most of your layout is manual: empty paragraphs to vertically space or synchronise with column (making you extremely vulnerable to changes in margins or paper size), incorrect usage of paragraph break to split centered paragraphs (instead of using line breaks or playing with indents and letting Writer do the job), absolutely no character styles.

With such a complex document, it is of utmost necessity to work exclusively with styles (and all of them) to decrease the stress on Writer.

Since I couldn’t load the subdocuments without crash, I couldn’t reproduce tables breaking apart. This could be (no certainty because of the lack of experimentation due to crash) the consequence of infinitesimal accumulation of excess vertical spacing with your empty paragraphs. See if a tiny change in top or bottom margins modifies the phenomenon. Once again, manually managing layout is a big source of trouble. Prefer text flow properties with judicious use of “keep with next paragraph” and 'don’t split paragraph".

Wrong: they are not based on a common template. You may have loaded styles from one of them but this is not the same as template base. Anyway, only styles in the master really matter for the final result.

#7

I don’t eat/breathe/live LibreOffice - I just expect it to put text on a page. I will not be changing margin or paper size so that is not a problem. The other issues I didn’t expect to be a problem because I’ve generated multi-hundred paged documents in Word and never run into the complications I have with LO.

How am I supposed to use Styles to tell a page where to put different sized tables on the page? Why would carriage returns / line feeds be a stress? That makes no sense.

All of the AAA files were generated from a single source document through Send → Create Master Document. Then, when I upgraded to 7.4, some of the styles didn’t seem right so I then loaded the styles from the master document into these. I did that so that when I edited the AAA files, what I saw there I was hoping to see in the Master → alas, it was not to be.

Why there may be different indents or other stray artifacts could be because I copied and pasted some tables from other documents. I’ll try to figure out how to see these issues - but at this point I’m still in the dark on what you’re seeing (or, more importantly, how you’re seeing it).

#8

Your problem is precisely there. Writer is not Word. It is based on different principles and IMHO these principles are better thought and designed than those of Word. Even if can obtain the same visual layout in the end, how to get then requires an intellectual effort to switch to a new workflow. If you don’t accept it, the pain to reach the same result is tremendous. Understanding the differences allows you to elaborate your documents very easily and surely with more comfort than under Word. Writer is feature-rich, probably more than Word. It is really author-friendly by allowing to focus on contents/focus without caring for appearance/look which can be tuned later without the need to review text. But this requires a consistent approach with styles.

A master document is not the same as a template. A master will bind together several ordinary documents to create a synthetic global one. A template is a special instance of document which turns into an ordinary document whenever you open it. The ordinary document inherits all styles and initial contents present in the template. This is in fact what you need for your AAA files. A bonus with templates is if you modify the template, next time you open a document based on it, you are asked if you want to update to the new version. Without the template link, you must modify manually your documents, with the risk of diverging unintentionally.

#3

The first paragraph in AAA3.odt restarts page numbering. Put the cursor there, select Format - Paragraph, then Text flow tab, remove the tick mark in Page number.

EDIT Btw, when I try to insert AAA1.odt into the master, it crashes.

#4

Not only AAA1.odt but any of them.

#6

OMG - thank you floris_v! I had no idea that the page number could be adjusted by both the page number dialog and the paragraph formatter.

When I created the AAA files from the parent document, I was able to Send → Create Master Document with no problem (LO Writer 7.3). Now that I’ve upgraded to 7.4 (and 7.5), I’m unable to Create Master Documents. I don’t know what’s going on there. But thank you so much!

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