Still struggling with bullets and numbering and default Style

I keep coming back to LO, and then leaving it again because I crash on applying Styles to bullets and numbering, despite using LO help.

How do I make Bullet List style as I have defined it into my default, meaning what I get when I select several lines of text and then click on the bullet icon in the format bar?

Right now, I get some other set of bullet list formatting options, perhaps the native set.

Nor do I understand why I get the Bullets Library sometimes when I click on the bullet icon in the format bar, when just I want to apply bullets and numbering to selected text, not to modify my default options (Style) for indentation, etc. If I can master bullet lists and styles, I can probably then understand styles generally better than I do.

The bullet toolbar button does not apply a “style” but just direct formats your text. In addition, this (these) button(s) is (are) a direct transposition of the very badly designed Word feature.

Since it is direct format, you can’t configure a persistent preferred collection of settings. This means that when you reopen Writer or your document, you no longer have the state of your last session. The implementation is cluttered with a lot of heuristics to try and guess your purpose. Short stated, it is unreliable.

The best way to manage list goes through list styles. But list styles is a difficult concept because it does not work alone. A list style applies additional attributes over (or to) a paragraph style.

You format basically your text with a paragraph style. The list style will take ownership of the left side of the paragraph (in LTR languages; mirror for RTL) to describe the type and position of the number as well as the indent of the list item.

List styles are saved first into your document. They are still available when you reopen it. They can also be saved in your custom default template to be available to all your documents based on this template without the need to reconfigure.

If you are not familiar with styles (and I am afraid you aren’t considering the wording of your question – no offence intended, everybody must learn), I recommend you read the Writer Guide for a basic introduction and the excellent Bruce Byfield’s Designing with LO which explains the style methodology. Both books are freely downloadable from the Documentation page. You need to press the More button and scroll down a bit for the latter.

One last word of caution: styles are persistent only if you save .odt. Any other save format results in direct formatting substitution and styles are lost on reopen (because they don’t exist in alien formats).

Thank you so much. This is a fabulous comment in its depth and helpfulness. I will need to study it further. Word is certainly not wonderful on bullet formats. I just want a standard formatting for my bulleted lists, and it looks like I just can’t use Libre Office, given that I do save in docx. Too bad, but very good to have full clarity. LO just does not have the simplicity I want and need for my rather basic level of uses, which does not include publications. LO can be good, but not for everybody.

Is there any good reason to save DOCX? If this is motivated by your recipients being under M$ Word, Word can indeed read and process .odt documents though M$ intentionally diverted from the standard in some areas. Of course, you’ll meet the same compatibility issues under M$ Word with .odt.

By saving your documents native, you’ll face far less problems than with DOCX because the conversion process on open and save has cumulative damaging effects session after session.