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Need for a style separator in Writer

asked 2018-04-25 17:55:23 +0100

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Writer desperately needs a style separator similar to Word to enable two or more styles to appear on the same line. Without this Writer is almost useless for legal documents.

For example in patents and also contract writing there are often precedents to follow. BUT the use by lawyers and the courts of the Navigator (“Navigation pane” in Word) means that merely changing the font is not acceptable for a well indexed document using the navigator. Two examples are given following where // represents the style separator:

Clause 27 Breaches // (1) Any failure to make payment 
heading 2          // default (normal)
[0005]   // Problems resolved by the Invention // This inventions resolves the problem….
heading 3//…………...heading 2                    // default (normal)

Particularly for patents you are forced to use Word to achieve the referencing of the headings and paragraph numbers as separate items, also keeping spaces to a minimum following the editing/formatting conventions. The above patent example results in the navigator indicating:

Problems resolved by the Invention

Big Q is whether there is a workaround for 2 styles and 3 styles on the same line where one or more of the styles is used as a heading. The ¶¶ Word symbol for there in-line style separator needs to be achieved for Writer to be functional for legal documents and also business presentations such as company outlines and quarterly reports. This is because the various headings also act to create the pdf bookmarks list used commonly as a table of contents in sizeable business and scientific documents posted online.

When will a programmer achieve ¶¶ functionality?

Edited by Jim K to add proper spacing.

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Jim K gravatar imageJim K ( 2018-04-25 18:16:06 +0100 )edit

Apart from bounding a sequence of words for the sake of defining a limited TOC entry, would character styles (which don't exist as such in M$ Word) satisfy the requirement/need?

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2018-04-25 18:37:09 +0100 )edit

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answered 2019-04-15 01:11:58 +0100

larrybradley gravatar image

Workarounds are simply not acceptable to "professional" users of Writer, or any other program, for that matter. Either LO programmers will fix this issue, of they won't. As of this post, it does not appear to have been fixed.

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"Workaround" is a word for a procedure targetting a non-existent feature. Then either the goal is wrong (obviously this does not apply to legal or patent tradition) or the "workaround" is the correct way of doing things. @floris v provided a solution. Sure, it can be improved but it is an excellent start.

A "professional" writer always begin by creating tools such as templates, styles and macros to specialise the application and ease his work.

If I reverse the argument, M$ Word is plaged with workarounds considering the plethora of [useful] features present in LO Writer and not in M$ W.

ajlittoz gravatar imageajlittoz ( 2019-04-15 07:56:15 +0100 )edit

answered 2018-04-25 18:34:16 +0100

Jim K gravatar image

updated 2018-04-25 19:04:44 +0100

Two or more character styles can appear on the same line. In contrast, paragraph styles apply unsurprisingly to the entire paragraph.

One solution is to create a frame for each separate style. Go to Insert -> Frame to create the first one. Format the frame to remove borders and extra spacing, and anchor As Character. Then copy and paste to create additional frames.

Sample ODT File

frame for each pagagraph style


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answered 2018-04-26 00:04:03 +0100

floris v gravatar image

You can try this tutorial: It may not solve all your problems, but who knows.

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answered 2018-04-25 20:05:56 +0100

legaleagle gravatar image

Merely changing styles is understood. But for achieving heading references in the navigator - so that the pdf bookmark index is complete for a final document - it is necessary to have the capability inserting 2 different headings in the one line. The sample odt is much appreciated and I will use for internal documents. Unfortunately it is usually a formatting rule in legal document preparation not to use text boxes as these can be easily moved to the wrong place or accidentally deleted. The M$Word ¶¶style separator complies with the plain text rules for production of evidence, hence I need a writer equivalent for transacted documents. Apparently my search for an effective equivalent has not borne fruit y

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"These can be easily moved to the wrong place or accidentally deleted." Any text can be easily moved or deleted. The frames are anchored "As Character" meaning that they behave in the same way as any other text. Did you realize that these are not MS Word text boxes, but rather LibreOffice frames?

Jim K gravatar imageJim K ( 2018-04-27 00:12:18 +0100 )edit

"...heading references in the navigator..." This is shown in my screenshot from the sample ODT file, correct?

Jim K gravatar imageJim K ( 2018-04-27 00:20:08 +0100 )edit
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