My layout is in Mirror. The manual section break does not create a break for the headers. I can achieve different left and right page headers. But I cannot achieve different CHAPTER names.
Help would be much appreciated.
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LAYOUT FOR BOOK WITH DIFFERENT LEFT AND RIGHT HEADERS
Open New Document
Open Page Style options:
Styles > Manage Styles > Page Style (4th icon from left of top menu)
Create a New Style:
Place curser right click on blank part of box and select New. Then modify it as below.
(The Default Page Style comes up automatically)
At the bottom of the Page Styles box, there is a drop-down box for viewing All Styles or just Applied Styles etc.
For BLANK PAGES See Below
TITLE PAGES
To format a title page from the First Page
File > Properties > Description Tab > Title: Enter Title Name
Go to the Title Page/First Page
Insert > Field > Title (your title name will appear)
LEFT PAGE HEADERS (Book Titles)
Insert > Field > Title (your title name will appear if it has already been created for the Title page)
BLANK PAGES
Blank pages are automatically generated.
For example, when text ends on the Right page and is followed by the Chapter First Page (which requires a Right page) LibreOffice will automatically insert a Blank Left page,
HEADING STYLES
Modify a Style
Styles > Manage Styles > Paragraph Styles (1st icon on left of top menu)
Right click on a style, then Modify
Apply a Heading Style
Select words to be changed
Click âStylesâ from the main menu
Click required Heading
Hierarchy
Section Title: Heading 1
Chapter First Page: Heading 2
MANUAL PAGE BREAKS
To create a Manual Page Break
Insert > More Breaks > Manual Break
In the Page Style box choose from the drop-down list of styles you have already created in order to insert the page style needed to follow the break.
Manual Breaks are best avoided but can be useful.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Insert > Table of Contents & Index > Table of Contents, Index or Bibliography
Type & Title: Choose what wording you want, such as âContentsâ
Evaluate up to Level: Change to Level 1 if you just want the Section Titles.
Change to level 2 if you want chapters to be included
Change Table of Contents Layout
On the Table of Contents page you have made, select âContentsâ and apply paragraph changes, such as space below.
To adjust the layout of the Section Titles, again select and apply paragraph changes, such a space to right and left or space below.
Ajlittoz Comment on Table of Contents Layout
Your summary is not clear enough about what must be made. But this is quite tricky because various precedences compete against each other.
For the data making a TOC entry , including tab stops , this is controlled, level by level, by the structure line in the Entries tab of the TOC dialog.
The rest of the formatting is done by Contents n paragraph styles (n = level to modify). But tab stops defined in the paragraph style are not used. I recommend to avoid potential conflicts to never define tab stops in the paragraph style.
Thus, to match your initial design I had to set the tab stop in level-2 structure line, change indents and space above/below in Indents & Spacing as well as font properties in Font tabs of Contents 1 .
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I M P O R T A N T - A D D I T I O N -TO SUMMARY 2024-01-23
In order to get the Book title in the LEFT Header and the Chapter headings in the RIGHT Header I have to created THREE new page styles for EACH chapter.
When you look in your Page Styles section (Styles > Manage Styles > 4th Icon from left in top menu), it will look like this. The styles not in use have been hidden by right clicking the style and selecting âHideâ.
Each time I create a new style I have to reset the page size to the Executive book size (7â x 10â / 184 x 267 mm). I have been unable to solve this problem with a template â but there must be a way!
Headers and footers have to be adjusted for each style. Under the Header Tab, make sure the box âSame content on left and right pagesâ is NOT ticked/checked.
A Manual Page Break is needed on the last page of one Chapter, introducing the Story Title of the next Chapter.
THIS IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO GET DIFFERENT CHAPTER HEADINGS IN RIGHT HEADER
SEE AJLITTOZ COMMENT AND CORRECTION OF MY MOCK-UP.
When your purpose is only a different header for left and right, all other parameters unchanged (you can distribute uneven left and right margins with the Mirrored option), there is no need to create different page styles. This is necessary only when âbase geometric dimensionsâ are âincompatibleâ between left and right. You unlink headers (and footers the same) by unticking the Same contents on left and right pages in the Header tab (resp. Footer). This simplifies a bit your work.
Also your âImportant additionâ above suggests your headings are literal âquotationsâ of other contents, making mandatory the creation of individual styles per chapter.
If your chapter headings are correctly styled with Heading n, heading text is captured in fields. Then inserting this field in a header will automatically copy the current heading for the selected level. This results in a single-fits-all-chapters page style instead of one (or two or three) styles per chapter.
As I already mentioned, your full-page illustrations with their own page style break the logical sequence first-left-right-left-⌠and requires a separate page style for the first page of a chapter. All in all, you only need two page styles for all your chapters: one generic first page and one âdynamicâ (thanks to fields) running pages.
Hi Ajlittoz,
Thank you very much for your comment about fields.
There are two problems for me.
(1) Although I think I created a Chapter Field I couldnât use it.
(2) More importantly, I couldnât get the Right Header to change with the change of Chapter.
Following a mock-up has proved very helpful previously. Iâve now created a little mock-up of a book entitle DUCK, GEESE AND HENS.
If you had the time, I would be MOST grateful if you could amend it so that the Right Header changes from DUCKS to GEESE. I could then update my IMPORTANT ADDITION TO SUMMARY Comment.
Book Ducks, Geese and Hens.odt (11.1 KB)
Your main problem is a psychological lock. You still think mechanical type writer way: you have raw text and you decorate it afterwards. Writer is several steps beyond this approach. It emphasises text categorisation into âsignificance bucketsâ. When you start to write your book, you think of it as a main title (representing the global âcontainerâ) as a roof for several stories, themselves consisting of a sub-title, chapters and text.
Do the same with Writer. The âsignificance bucketsâ are implemented as styles with a more or less large extent. For text, these are paragraph styles and character styles (for words or sequences of words when the importance/significance is different from the paragraph). Style your paragraphs or words, even if the style does not initially translate your opinion about the look. The important task is to mark up the text with styles.
The title of your book is âtaggedâ with Title; your story intra-titles with Heading 1 (because we want an outline hierarchy); your chapter headings with Heading 2; your main text or discourse with Body Text.
As already mentioned, never (biblically repeat Ă7 times) use Default Paragraph Style for anything specific in your document. This may be a bad habit imported from Word where âStandardâ has the role of Body Text . Default Paragraph Style has a different role in Writer to quickly reconfigure the look of the book. It is always used implicitly behind the scene; donât disturb it until you have understood how to benefit from it.
Also, donât vertically space with empty paragraphs. Since you think these empty paragraphs are not important per se, usually they have a variety of styles applied to them. When the styles are tuned for look, the empty paragraphs suddenly start to behave inconsistently in appearance. This is only because they are all different. Also, since they are paragraphs, albeit without contents, they will also be handled for spacing above and below. Writer never suppresses anything you typed. Thus, these empty paragraphs need paper space and will cause empty pages to appear unexpectedly.
Vertical space above and below is also an intrinsic property of paragraph significance. This spacing is much better configured as a parameter of paragraph style (e.g. chapter heading always occurs at the beginning of a page preceding by some white space and followed by a double or triple line spacing).
This is what I did in your corrected sample Book Ducks, Geese and Hens-ajl.odt (13.5 KB).
Tuning the appearance of your book can be done once it is completely written if the text is fully styling with direct formatting reserved for âexceptionsâ, mainly in my opinion special page breaks or list numbering restart. Any âwrongâ direct formatting will play nasty tricks on your back (100% probability and I have a long experience about it).
âFull semantic stylingâ allows you to change the look from a boring academic paper to a fancy children fairy without having to care for text, spacing or anything else (once again from experience). This is compatible with job separation between author and graphics artist, providing the latter handles styles only with no temptation to act upon the text.
Hi Ajlittoz,
Thank you SO MUCH for your explanation and correction of my mock-up. It will take me a little while to follow what you have done.
In the meanwhile Iâve put a note at the end of my IMPORTANT ADDITION comment telling readers to see your comment. I didnât delete it as you refer to it.
Hi Ajlittoz,
The Heading 1 and Heading 2 aspect of your correction of my mock-up is very helpful.
BUT your Chapter Field in the Right page Header is a mystery to me! I can see it is a Chapter Field by clicking on View and putting a tick against âField Namesâ.
With the curser in the Right Page Header, Iâve gone to Insert > Field > More Fields, selected Chapter and clicked inserted. This has inserted a Chapter Field BUT I find I cannot enter any text in it. Pressing a character on the grey area deletes it. Even entering the wording and highlighting it first doesnât help.
Iâm totally at a loss! Please can you help YET AGAIN!
Have you tried looking in the help? You might also find the Writer Guide [PDF] a useful resource.
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Fields are one form of cross-references. In a cross-reference or field, information is created in a âsourceâ. This source can be a sequence in the text itself or defined âexternallyâ as, e.g. in Tools>Properties. This information is inserted at the location of âusageâ with a tool called a field. Basically a field occurrence is a placeholder which will be replaced by the designated data. It is not a real replacement because the field remains in place, which allows the âusageâ to be refreshed automatically when the âsourceâ is updated.
Therefore typing over a field deletes the âplaceholderâ with what you typed and the cross-reference function is no longer available.
The chapter field, as you call it, is available through Insert>Field>More Fields, Document tab. Its Type is Heading. You can insert heading text only, its number only or both.
The âsourceâ for heading data is any paragraph attached to an outline level. This is most easily done by styling your headings with one of Heading n but the feature is more powerful than just that and provides very sophisticated possibilities.
And as @robleyd recommends, read at least the Writer Guide to grasp the basics, then practice one scratch documents. Writer is a very powerful program. You canât go by without minimal knowledge of its features. Mastering the fantastic possibilities requires some personal involvement in understanding the founding principles (mainly styles). Mastering it comes with practice.
Following your instructions I have now been able to insert a Heading Field in a Page Header.
BUT I cannot get different Headings for different Chapters. I can CHANGE the contents, but the same Right Heading appears in both Chapters. I can get âDUCKSâ for both Chapters or âGEESEâ for both Chapters, but not DUCKS for one and GEESE for the other.
Iâm almost there, but not quite!!!
Please let me know what I should do to get different Chapter names. I am in suspense!
As I stated it several times, the key is to make Writer aware about your chapters and other subdivisions. Style your story title and chapter heading paragraphs with Heading 1 and Heading 2 respectively.
If you still get the same header in your chapters, something went wrong, either with Heading 2 or you added a direct formatting which removed the assignment to outline level 2. Direct formatting is the start of evil; avoid it and rely on styles (pure styles without DF overload!).
Hi Ajlittoz and EarnestAI.
Thank you both VERY MUCH for your help - and patience. At last Iâve managed to enter the Fields!
Here is my Summary. If any amendments are necessary please let me know.
If it is OK I will include it as an Answer.
S U M M A R Y - C O N T I N U A T I O N - (2024-01-25)
INSERT FIELDS INTO LEFT AND RIGHT BOOK HEADERS
LEFT HEADER
This will be the Title of the book
Put curser in left Header
File > Properties > Description
Insert your book Title.
RIGHT HEADER
First you have to create Headings to be used for the Fields.
Heading 1 will be used for Level 1
Heading 2 will be used for Level 2
Heading 3 will be used for Level 3
This example is for a book with a Book Title, Sections, and Chapters within the Sections.
In this case the Section Name will appear in the Right Header.
(1) HEADING
On the first Section Page enter the Section Name.
Select the Section Name
Click Styles on top menu
Click Heading 1
The Section Name will have taken on the default appearance of Heading 1.
(2) FIELD
To insert the Section Name Field in the Right Header
Put curser in Right Header
Insert > Field > More Fields
Document Tab > Type > Chapter
Document Tab > Format > Chapter Name
Document Tab > LEVEL 1
Follow the same procedure for other âChapterâ headings, which will be at different Levels.
(3) APPEARANCE
To Modify the appearance of the book Title
Styles > Manage Styles > Paragraph Style (click first icon on left)
Click the + sign of +Headings to open up Headings options
The Title is one of these Heading options
To Modify the appearance of the Section Name
The same process as for modifying the book Title.
Direct Formatting, which means putting the curser in the Header itself, should be avoided and is NOT advisable. It spoils consistent structuring.
Space Under
To insert Space under a Header
Styles > Manage Styles > Page Style (4th icon from left)
Right click on Page Style containing the relevant Header
Select Modify > Header Tab > Spacing
LINKS
Correction of my (Aprilâs) mock-up by Ajlittoz
This is what I (Ajlittoz) did in your corrected sample Book Ducks, Geese and Hens-ajl.odt (13.5 KB).
LINKS from Robleyd
Have you tried looking in the help 1? You might also find the Writer Guide 1 [PDF] a useful resource.
That will work bu is not âgood practiceâ. Whatever you apply with menu Format leads you to direct formatting which sooner or later causes issues when you try to tune your formatting. It is much much better to apply a character style over the one defined in the character style. If you want to modify the whole header appearance, modify first the character style. Remember: the fewer applications (either with styles and, most important, with direct formatting, to be used as a last resort when it is really impossible to handle the goal with styles), the better (reliability, predictability, stability, ease of application, performance, âŚ).
There are two ways to manage it.
- for single line header: modify the spacing parameters in Header paragraph style
Indents & Spacingtab. - for more sophisticated headers: open the page style configuration dialog and go to
Headertab
Parameter Spacing is the distance below the bottom limit of the last paragraph in the header and the top limit of the first paragraph in the text. I use here word âlimitâ to emphasise that these boundaries include the spacing below and above of said parameters. Consequently, the effective distance between âlinesâ is larger than Spacing alone because you add header spacing below and text spacing above.
Donât go into too many details. Users are supposed to have read the Writer Guide or at least built-in help. Havenât you 
? AskLO is not a substitute for guides and tutorials. It helps solve pinpoint problems but the whole training is rather a personal effort. In addition, the site is not structured methodically by clearly identified topics, making difficult to query for an existing solution.
Hi Ajlittoz,
(1) Comment about modifying Header appearance.
I myself was surprised that I had no success with changing the appearance via Style.
I did try to change the appearance in Styles > Manage Styles > Paragraph Styles and selected Header but that made no change. I tried changing from lower case to capitals and from black to a colour. The change of colour appeared in the Style panel but made no difference in the Header. Perhaps I was doing something wrong. I have updated the SUMMARY CONTINUATION.
(2) Spacing under Header
Thanks for explaining that spacing under a Header can be applied in the Header Tab of Page Styles. I have updated the SUMMARY CONTINUATION.
(3) LibreOffice Writer Help
I have tried a number of times to use LibreOffice Writer Help, but without success. I could NEVER FIND THE HELP I NEEDED!. I Also tried YouTube. If it wasnât for you and EarnestAI I could have spent many weeks learning about LibreOffice Writer to find out what I have learnt in 13 days with your kind assistance. I would like other people to have the opportunity of benefitting from what I have learnt. I consider it VERY VALUABLE!.
This means some direct formatting masks the effect of style. I keep on repeating DF is the source of all evil but this is difficult to hear because most people believe DF is âintuitiveâ and the normal way of handling formatting (curse Word propaganda for that!). DF was only offered for quickânâdirty formatting of single page write-then-throw-away scratch documents. Writer is a very sophisticated and powerful tool. DF conflicts with its functions until you have understood hwo to use wisely DF.
So, first thing in order to use effectively and efficiently is to accept to forget everything you think you know about text processing. You must accept that founding principles are different and understand them. Then, and only then, you realise that these founding principles result in a very simple consistent structuring mechanism. There are still small discrepancies here and there, but globally you end up with an easy-to-use program implying a user-friendly workflow (I call it âsemantic stylingâ).
Hi Ajlittoz,
Iâve amended my APPEARANCE section further, and have added links to the mock-up I created and you corrected.
Iâve also added links provided by Robleyd.
Iâm planning to paste it in as a Suggested Solution.
S U M M A R Y - C O N T I N U A T I O N - (2024-01-26)
INSERTING FIELDS INTO LEFT AND RIGHT BOOK HEADERS
LEFT HEADER
This will be the Title of the book
Put curser in left Header
File > Properties > Description
Insert your book Title.
RIGHT HEADER
First you have to create Headings to be used for the Fields.
Heading 1 will be used for Level 1
Heading 2 will be used for Level 2
Heading 3 will be used for Level 3
This example is for a book with a Book Title, Sections, and Chapters within the Sections.
In this case the Section Name will appear in the Right Header.
(1) HEADING
On the first Section Page enter the Section Name.
Select the Section Name
Click Styles on top menu
Click Heading 1
The Section Name will now have taken on the default appearance of Heading 1.
(2) FIELD
To insert the Section Name Field in the Right Header
Put curser in Right Header
Insert > Field > More Fields
Document Tab > Type > Chapter
Document Tab > Format > Chapter Name
Document Tab > LEVEL 1
Follow the same procedure for other âChapterâ headings, which will be at different Levels.
(3) APPEARANCE
To Modify the appearance of the book Title
Styles > Manage Styles > Paragraph Style (click first icon on left)
Click the + sign of +Headings to open up Headings options
The Title is one of these Heading options
To Modify the appearance of the Section Name
The same process as for modifying the book Title.
Direct Formatting, which means putting the curser in the Header itself, should be avoided and is NOT advisable. It spoils consistent structuring.
Space Under
To insert Space under a Header
Styles > Manage Styles > Page Style (4th icon from left)
Right click on Page Style containing the relevant Header
Select Modify > Header Tab > Spacing
LINKS
Correction of my (Aprilâs) mock-up by Ajlittoz
This is what I did in your corrected sample Book Ducks, Geese and Hens-ajl.odt (13.5 KB).
LINKS from Robleyd
Have you tried looking in the help 1? You might also find the Writer Guide 1 [PDF] a useful resource.
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