Changed margins don't save, fonts & format reverts to original when saved

[EmKAy]

Hi all. I searched through the archives & couldn’t find this issue, so I ask all of you… I created a text document, then shrunk the margins so I could fit more words on the page. However, every time I save the document, then re-open it, the margins all read the same, but the text is in the old margin space. I have to go line-by-line & backspace to get the text to go back into the new margin space. Why won’t this save?

Also, on this document I copied & pasted some text. That text was in a different font & size than what I use, so I changed it to match the rest of the document. However when I save the document, some of the text (and many of the spaces between text) revert back to the original font & size.

Might anyone know why my saves won’t save? I have changed the font 4 different times, and still, when I re-open the document, the new margins aren’t being used AND Some of the font has reverted back.

Edited to add: OS is Windows 11, & LO version is 6.4. I attached the text document, and another where I manually moved the text into the new margins using the backspace button.
Here is a link to the file in question:

LO doc1

Any help would be much-appreciated. Thanks!!!

[ajlittoz]

If you expect any help, and I assume you to, edit your question (= modify it, don’t answer with a comment), to give minimal technical details, i.e. OS name, LO version and save format.

For best diagnostic, attach your file.

[Grantler]

@EmKAy
The source of your PDF files seem to be DOCX files (= no native format).
You made “print-outs” to PDF by Microsoft: Print to PDF.

@ajlittoz

For best diagnostic, attach your file.

You did not attach the original Writer file(s).
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More: Where do the in-built fonts (CID font family) come from? Are these “special fonts” or are they natively included in Microsoft environment?

[EmKAy]

The fonts just come from the LO fonts, nothing special or unusual.

[Grantler]

@EmKAy

I tried to upload the original LO files, but this website said the files were too big, so I transferred it to PDF to fit the size requirements.

Share your LO files by any uploader/cloud which is quite simple. No LO file - no diagnostic.
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@EmKAy

The fonts just come from the LO fonts, nothing special or unusual.

(In LO: Have you seen installed fonts named CID?)

[EmKAy]

I looked at the fonts tab & didn’t see any fonts named ‘CID’ it goes from Carlito to Comic Sans.

[EmKAy]

Also I shared the LO file via a temporary cloud server, never knew I could do that before!

Any assistance is greatly appreciated!!!

[ajlittoz]

You have two main issues in your document.

It is saved as .docx.
This is not LO native format, which means some settings are lost when translating to .docx and the systematic conversions when opening and saving progressively damage your formatting.

Your document suffer from manual formatting
You don’t use styles which results in formatting hell.
Worse, you have not understood the difference between margins and indents. Obviously, you have shrunk the margins in Default Page Style but you also added indents (which are paragraph-specific additional horizontal margins) by playing with the ruler. And since you did it with the ruler instead of styles, you can’t control the indent setting from a single location. Either you reset them paragraph per paragraph or you select a group of paragraph and adjust globally the ruler.

Ideally, restart from scratch after learning use of styles.

[Grantler]

@EmKAy
You have embedded the fonts in your DOCX file so that it grew to more than 6 MB and therefore you could not upload to the ask site. After converting to ODT file format it still was more than 4 MB…
As @ajlittoz mentioned you have formatted your document in a messy (sorry for that!) way and I tried to save a little bit (now we have approx. 75 kB).
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See attachments!
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International M5More Mike Time in progress.odt (75.2 KB)
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– Cheers

[EmKAy]

TYVM for all the help!!! I’ve studied some of the suggestions you gave, and now understand things a little better. Thanks for that! 1 question: I regularly cut & paste paragraphs into these documents. When doing that, will it automatically insert it’s formatting to the document? And is there a way to cut & paste paragraphs into a document withOUT bringing in their own formatting?

[Hrbrgr]

A little help:

Getting started with professional text composition in Writer

My Transition from MS-Office to LibreOffice

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English documentation

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It is recommended to use one of the two latest LibreOffice versions:

Download LibreOffice

[ajlittoz]

@EmKAy

will it automatically insert it’s formatting to the document?

Yes

@EmKAy

And is there a way to cut & paste paragraphs into a document withOUT bringing in their own formatting?

Yes. Instead of pasting as usual, Edit>Paste Special and choose one of the options. Recommended is “paste as unformatted text” (it pastes only text, without any formatting).

[EmKAy]

You all are great. Thanks!!! I’ll study up on the information provided. Thanks again!

[Grantler]

@EmKAy

I’ll study up on the information provided.

Check the attached - slightly corrected - version of your document. Have a look (F11) to the styles. Right click the styles to modify them or only to analyse them.

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Have a nice Sunday, cheers

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InternationalM5MoreMikeTimeInProgress_StylesV2.odt (75.8 KB)