@koyotak : thanks for your help. I couldn’t get your document to work:
Result: The text is green, but the list ordinal is still red as shown below:
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I need the opposite, i.e. formatting the list ordinal.
It seems you have managed to do so in your document. Please explain how. I couldn’t reproduce it.
Thank you.
@libretist
I think I have an older version of LO (v.7.2.7.2) with those special “error/fault/mistake” to outwit any formattings by listing and numbering. That “error” seems to be corrected with newer versions.
Try this, have a look on “solution .B.” with numbered listings “A 2 F_BL” and “A 2 F_RD”:
yyzTESTESTEST_v001.odt (16.3 KB)
Change never any stile directly but only the user defined formattings, herein “A 2 F_BL“ and “A 2 F_RD”. Add an other formatting into the aduld formating (hierarchically):
– “Aufzählung 2” is the grandmother
– “Aufzählung 2 Fortsetzung” is one of her child and
– “A 2 F_BL” is one of her grandchild in blue (BL).
@koyotak : thanks so much for trying to make this work.
I opened your sample file and it really seems to were successful.
When I select a different paragraph style, the list ordinal changes its color!
The problem is:
@libretist
There exist no problem. That what you want in your case 2) is a chaotic formatting.
My hierarchic formattings are not easy! i prefer not the LO-basic formattings cause its rudimentary. i prefer my owns. What you see in my file above is only a quick demonstration.
A good typographic layout needs a very good structure you have to work before everything after you will see any first result. Thats be just as good in everything programming or construction or work.
To your case 2), ignore all the LO-style sheets. i recommend you to set all your text into standard format and allocate character to character the style you want to see without any automatic listings or numberings. Thats very easy and no unvisible LO-severe settlement will collaps your layout. On the other hand that demand much work and nobody are able to look right over that what you will present with your private stylings.
To your case 1) i will be your teacher! Which knowledge has you in typographic structure? And about LO-style sheets? And their deployments? In a scale from beginners to experts …
The thread title says “direct formatting of list symbols?”.
This is what I have to accomplish.
mock screenshot:
I wanted to simplify the explanation and the images in the OP, because I didn’t want to over-complicate the question. But in hindsight, I should have explained exactly what I need to achieve. Unfortunately I cannot edit the OP anymore.
Many thanks for your help @koyotak .
You said “case 1)” and “case 2)” but these are are not different cases, but only 2 remarks/questions I had for you. It’s always about the same case, depicted in the image I just posted in this message.
Hi @libretist
I’m back from a tiring car trip and more available to study carefully your sample file. Here are my findings:
Format>Bullets & Numbering with the cursor in the appropriate list item. After that, selecting the paragraph mark works.However, things become complicated with bullet lists. And I must say you are inconsistent in your sample file because half of bullet lists were created with “direct formatting” Format>Bullets & Numbering, half with * bullet list (well, there are only two bullet lists).
The only workaround I could find was to change Bullet to *, †, ‡, §, … and restart numbering on every item. Not user-friendly and does not provide a real bullet.
@ajlittoz : many thanks for your help! I am very hopeful reading that you got it to work.
I tried again and failed again. There is something I am doing wrong apparently.
Where exactly should I check if character style is set to none? When the item ordinal is selected? Or when the item’s paragraph mark is selected?
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EDIT: It’s weird, after several attempts, I sometimes get your method to work when repeating your steps a dozen times. I don’t think I changed anything between the repeats. This way, I got at least A.3 and A.4 and A.5 formatted (in my sample file xxxxxxx part.odt above). I was never able to direct-format A.1 for example. Then I saved the document and upon reopening the document, the formatting of A.3 and A.4 and A.5 is gone. I tried to DF them again, but it doesn’t work anymore.
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EDIT2: Out of the blue, the direct-format of A.3 and A.4 and A.5 appeared again, but I was unable to change them and when saving and re-opening the document, the DF is gone again.
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So the bottom line is: It’s very inconsistent in my trials.
Have you tried saving and see if your results persist when reopening ?
You’re right. Something else is again at stake.
First, your (faulty) use of Shift+Enter invalidates the trick. I remind you you can very easily create an unnumbered item by hitting Enter, then Bksp which deletes the number. Your new list item is created at the same level with the same paragraph style. This does not follow your specification of eliminating the spacing between the numbered item and its “comment” or explanation. You can cope with it by attaching the list style to an ad hoc paragraph style with the required font size and other parameters, including vertical spacing (even if you’ll always disable numbering – this insures you have the same indents). Logically, this is better because you have two paragraph styles for two different semantic significance. To automate the process you can specify the Next style to be your “unnumbered” style after the standard numbered style. If you have no “comment”/explanation, you manually apply your standard numbered style.
Second, the trick effectively does not always survive the session. I have not identified the circumstances under which it is kept and when it disappears. I wonder if the presence of cross-references play a role here.
Switch off all automatism of listings and numberings, so you can write and formate everything manually.
Or change to FRAMEMAKER thats able to layout your curiosity/strange objects/matters and
much more as multiple cornered pictures, several transparent or opaque layers.