I saw some code on this site, where typographic quotes replaced the original quotes.
Example far down in this question:
It contains the following block:
SELECT * FROM “tArtist_Song” ORDER BY ( SELECT “Song_Title” FROM “tSongs” WHERE “ID” = “tArtist_Song”.“SongID” )
As this usually breaks the code, you can’t copy/ paste the code back.
While I recommend to read anything before you paste, I don’t think it is useful on this site to have this replacement. I am assuming this smart replacement is done by the discord-software wich runs this site.
Well, @Wanderer may post his formulas (and other code) with the correct quotes using the tool for Preformatted Text or otherwise. But he (f/m) still will get errors if he pastes formulas posted by others without using the appropriate tool.
Shouldn’t the admins switch off “typographic quotes” for such a technical site completely?
I would vote +3.
This is an international site in English language. Neither English, nor American nor ‘Somewhereelses’ specifics concerning the quotation marks nor the stubborn (and silly) date-time formats still used here or there (and this differntly in English speaking countries) are suitable for it. Concerning the date-time the bad current state is very counterproductive. Many users wasted and waste again their time to help users out of their calamities caused by lacking understanding for date-time values and their formatting in spreadsheets. Let’s stick to international standards wherever possible.
(I even am afraid that bad practice here and there may make uneducated people believe, the -very bad- US habits are something like a global standard.)
If you want to paste something from an existing posting, consider a simple workaround: click on “Show more → Edit this post”. Try doing it with this one :-).
Thanks.
However, I don’t exactly often copy/paste malformatted code or formulas, and if I do, I get along.
I would like to get the site “better”. A meta thread might even be read by somebody who may feel concerned.
A user actually having the problem may not be allowed to edit the respective post…
Well, your “better” is apparently opposite to mine here. I find the postings to look better due to the feature in question. This site’s engine does provide a tool to present chunks of code as they should be. Some lazy or […] users do not use proper tools, but I don’t think this should be a reason to disable certain features.
P. S. Irrespective of the feature, I use proper quotation marks and apostrophes here
I thought the purpose of this site was to help people, even if they didn’t read all the docs. But if beauty of the site is a main concern, then typographic features are mandatory.
I’m more on the side of Lupp. The constraints here may be a nuisance for me, but I also think for many users of a office-suite the idea of learning markdown before posting here will come as a surprise…
Even from appearance perspective " is easier to read than ” in most of fonts, including the one on this site. And is more consistent, even on this site when you type messages you see ", besides GitHub and countless amount of platforms which don’t silently change user’s characters (because doing so is against common sense).
Besides that it adds compatibility to other text as well, because “ and ” have other codes in ASCII than in Unicode.
And fact that LibreOffice Calc does such conversion is just beyond, i’m worried to use LibreOffice Base, because of such nonsense “features” taking place.
edit: would be better for this site to implement paragraphs by not filtering out empty lines, this is what implementing non-features does to things.
I’m using Base a lot a there are no such replacements to be seen - and I have no problems with Calc also.
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My concern is simply this site (based on Discord) does replacements wich can be more than a nuisance to unexperienced users. Actually this is no problem of LibreOffice itself.
It is Markdown to html, so you may use <BR>, but on my mobile I simply type a dot as work-around.
Maybe also check the link to the HowToUse-guide already given below at the answer I marked as solution.
I was/am going to use Base regardless of that feeling. And already disabled all of AutoCorrect, for Calc. Having any auto-correction or such, enabled by default, is not welcoming. But in general, LibreOffice is truly great.
My post is intended as a response to those supporting the angled/curved quotes, and to add some light for decision making. I don’t hold down alot when meet things which make life worse across the globe, little or not.
Despite I understand, that your mention of LibreOffice features here in a topic dedicated solely for the site’s functioning was already an off-topic, and my reply to that off-topic will be also an off-topic:
Any specific user’s needs are unique in the specific set of features they happen to need. And each user simply doesn’t notice the enormous number of features enabled by default, that just happens to co-incide with their needs. But every feature that happened to not coincide with their specific needs is, indeed, “just beyond”, and “nonsense”. Of course, what a given person happens to need, is the only thing in this world that makes sense.
In general: not enabling any feature effectively makes this feature non-existent for the majority of users (who happen to be not geeks). So enabling a feature by default is always preferred, when that is what a majority would expect. Indeed, that last point needs an evidence, and is subject to discussion and correction when needed; but comments dismissing others’ preferences as nonsense are just arrogant.
You are just not putting attention to objective list of purposes per type of software. Those who put statements about subjectivity are usually the ones being subjective.
My 1st post also describes how this feature causes more harm than good, there are much more of logics behind why certain features should or shouldn’t be opt-out, than just showcasing it.
LOL. I never even mentioned applicability of any feature to any type of software. What I wrote about was not a subject of “if this feature should or shouldn’t be enabled by default”, but a specific issue of people behaving like you.
LOL again. Do you claim that there is no science about people subjective reasoning (which creates scientific statements about subjectivity)? Do you have numbers with their sources to confirm your statement? and most importantly: are you applying statistics to judgments of a specific person? Or otherwise: how the “usually” affects the specific case, when you are facing a concrete person?
It is so funny, that it already becomes boring. No you didn’t. But even if you did, the topic wasn’t about that, but about you arrogantly dismissing others. And that isn’t repaired by any additional statements. Now about the “descriptions” present in that first post:
Please provide any evidence. Without that, I may claim the opposite, and there’s no way to judge. Note that I don’t claim the opposite - I don’t know if it’s true (I may only suspect that you just made a bold false statement, dismissing the incredible amount of work the professional font makers put into typography). The trailing “including the one on this site” might be easier to discuss, but you started with a generic statement.
And e.g. WordPress does. Now what? Your mention of GitHub doesn’t confirm your statement about “consistency”, only tell about your bias.
Speaking about “compatibility”, and using ASCII as the measure of that compatibility, is already silly. Unicode is the standard today. If something is using ASCII in this age, that is the thing trying hard to be incompatible with the rest of the world. I can tell it, because I have to deal with code that tries hard to detect such encoding, which users have to repair from (usually) old documents, which didn’t use Unicode.
So overall, let me just conclude, that there was absolutely zero facts in your posts, only some bold statements full of dismissal of others’ work, needs, and only declaring self-importance. But even that is not that bad - just after pointing that attitude to you, you still keep insisting, that’s sad. Bye.
Sorry, im responding to not be rude, but i won’t read this past the 1st 20% that i did. And i don’t want to get into book-long discussion where responses barely correlate.
The ```text though was to force the code block to monochrome as multiple functions in Basic code somehow lead to an ugly all red formatting starting at the second function block.
Usually a simple ``` without any trailing text (not even blanks) on its own line does some nicely automatically coloured formatting. One can force a language though like
I marked this as solution, as I think this works for me.
On a general view, I think it is not the best choice for a site where newbees ask questions about code. But ok, it is said people learn from errors, so there is no reason to make the world to easy to use…
More options for code snippets found here at discourse:
